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		<title>By: Des Temps &#8594; Blog Archive &#8594; Shoes Melt.</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://desedo.com/blog/marc-jacobs-hearts-our-gfs-really/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your post, and as a side note, I abhor what brands like Marc Jacobs and Ralph Lauren are doing to the urban landscape of the village and even nolita, as we see more and more large brands gobbling up real estate (3 stores on one block?) and smaller retailers and merchants being squezed out of the equation. More and more, New York is losing its charm and individuality.

We live in a consumer driven society that isn&#039;t embracing uniqueness, but falling for the lowest common denominator of &quot;sameness.&quot; Note the depletion of local bodega&#039;s on every block (they used to be everywhere) and the growth of brands like Duane Reade...seemingly everywhere (starbucks to go with your Gap anyone?).

Even in this city it would appear we&#039;ve become too lazy to even cross the street or walk an extra block to find what we need, instead we need one of these stores on every (or every other) block.

While Marc may have had a great idea by creating an MJ hub in the village, I am fearful it is nothing more than empty consumerist excess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your post, and as a side note, I abhor what brands like Marc Jacobs and Ralph Lauren are doing to the urban landscape of the village and even nolita, as we see more and more large brands gobbling up real estate (3 stores on one block?) and smaller retailers and merchants being squezed out of the equation. More and more, New York is losing its charm and individuality.</p>
<p>We live in a consumer driven society that isn&#8217;t embracing uniqueness, but falling for the lowest common denominator of &#8220;sameness.&#8221; Note the depletion of local bodega&#8217;s on every block (they used to be everywhere) and the growth of brands like Duane Reade&#8230;seemingly everywhere (starbucks to go with your Gap anyone?).</p>
<p>Even in this city it would appear we&#8217;ve become too lazy to even cross the street or walk an extra block to find what we need, instead we need one of these stores on every (or every other) block.</p>
<p>While Marc may have had a great idea by creating an MJ hub in the village, I am fearful it is nothing more than empty consumerist excess.</p>
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		<title>By: TG</title>
		<link>http://desedo.com/blog/marc-jacobs-hearts-our-gfs-really/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>TG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is great.  and very accurate.

I think it&#039;s worth making the distinction between the Marc Jacobs
line, sold on Mercer rather than Bleeker, and Marc by Marc Jacobs.
The grown-up collection is informed by a much more fluid and less
predictable aesthetic, changing pretty dramatically from season to
season.  You might be able to guess it&#039;s Marc Jacobs, but you can&#039;t
really guess what he&#039;s going to do with it next.  By contrast, the
Marc by Marc stuff looks basically the same from year to year, or at
least it gives the impression of looking the same while actually
evolving in fairly subtle ways to embrace shifting trends.  Jeans are
more narrow, but not outrageously skinny; sweaters are bigger and
slouchier, but still festooned with tongue-in-cheek graphics or bows.
But the pretty frocks with slightly high waists and subtly puffed
sleeves are still there, as are the kids-style sweaters and cords with
large plastic buttons.  What this means, for me at least, is that you
can think that you have either outgrown or grown tired of the concept,
and yet find yourself going back there and buying more stuff because
it&#039;s become a source of staples -- old favorites and new pieces that
give a nod to what&#039;s happening in more drastic (and harder-to-wear)
fashion elsewhere.

I think it&#039;s also worth commenting on the fact that the appeal of Marc
by Marc has always been that it&#039;s pretty and demure and funky and
cheeky all at once, whereas most other fashion, especially when Marc
by Marc first became popular, aspires to sexiness or elegance or
minimalism, and does so without being cool enough to comment on
itself.  Marc by Marc is like ironic dancing -- it&#039;s fun and it looks
good while rolling its eyes at the inherent silliness of the whole
venture.  The weak spot in this facade is the childishness.  &quot;demure
and pretty and funky and cheeky&quot; is basically a perfect description of
how under-eight girls look in a dress.  Certainly, it&#039;s how most of
the affluent white girls who buy Marc by Marc now looked when they
were under-eights in the eighties.  And this may explain the $10
wallet success.  It&#039;s all part of the same, jokey, &quot;kids playing dress
up/adults playing dress down&quot; fantasy, and so they don&#039;t seem cheap in
the way that a $10 keychain from Guess would.  The idea of younger or
less moneyed girls buying a small piece of the party doesn&#039;t seem
tacky or sad, because everyone in there is essentially buying into the
illusion that we&#039;re younger and less moneyed than we are.

It might be reasonable to ask when we&#039;re going to grow up.  Or, in the
case of those of us who&#039;ve been going to that store since we were
young 20s and are now approaching 30, when we&#039;re going to accept that
we already have.  And whether, if we do, it&#039;s going to have a trickle
down effect so that younger women start wanting something a little
less cute, and more fierce.  Is this what happened to, say, DKNY?

It might also be reasonable to compare the welcome one receives in
Mercer St. compared to the friendliness on Bleecker.  It&#039;s definitely
haughtier in Soho, which makes perfect sense, but it&#039;s also a reminder
that the heart of the MJ empire is as exclusionary as Louis Vuitton.

that&#039;s probably more opinion than you were after.  I like the piece
very much.  The picture&#039;s great, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is great.  and very accurate.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s worth making the distinction between the Marc Jacobs<br />
line, sold on Mercer rather than Bleeker, and Marc by Marc Jacobs.<br />
The grown-up collection is informed by a much more fluid and less<br />
predictable aesthetic, changing pretty dramatically from season to<br />
season.  You might be able to guess it&#8217;s Marc Jacobs, but you can&#8217;t<br />
really guess what he&#8217;s going to do with it next.  By contrast, the<br />
Marc by Marc stuff looks basically the same from year to year, or at<br />
least it gives the impression of looking the same while actually<br />
evolving in fairly subtle ways to embrace shifting trends.  Jeans are<br />
more narrow, but not outrageously skinny; sweaters are bigger and<br />
slouchier, but still festooned with tongue-in-cheek graphics or bows.<br />
But the pretty frocks with slightly high waists and subtly puffed<br />
sleeves are still there, as are the kids-style sweaters and cords with<br />
large plastic buttons.  What this means, for me at least, is that you<br />
can think that you have either outgrown or grown tired of the concept,<br />
and yet find yourself going back there and buying more stuff because<br />
it&#8217;s become a source of staples &#8212; old favorites and new pieces that<br />
give a nod to what&#8217;s happening in more drastic (and harder-to-wear)<br />
fashion elsewhere.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s also worth commenting on the fact that the appeal of Marc<br />
by Marc has always been that it&#8217;s pretty and demure and funky and<br />
cheeky all at once, whereas most other fashion, especially when Marc<br />
by Marc first became popular, aspires to sexiness or elegance or<br />
minimalism, and does so without being cool enough to comment on<br />
itself.  Marc by Marc is like ironic dancing &#8212; it&#8217;s fun and it looks<br />
good while rolling its eyes at the inherent silliness of the whole<br />
venture.  The weak spot in this facade is the childishness.  &#8220;demure<br />
and pretty and funky and cheeky&#8221; is basically a perfect description of<br />
how under-eight girls look in a dress.  Certainly, it&#8217;s how most of<br />
the affluent white girls who buy Marc by Marc now looked when they<br />
were under-eights in the eighties.  And this may explain the $10<br />
wallet success.  It&#8217;s all part of the same, jokey, &#8220;kids playing dress<br />
up/adults playing dress down&#8221; fantasy, and so they don&#8217;t seem cheap in<br />
the way that a $10 keychain from Guess would.  The idea of younger or<br />
less moneyed girls buying a small piece of the party doesn&#8217;t seem<br />
tacky or sad, because everyone in there is essentially buying into the<br />
illusion that we&#8217;re younger and less moneyed than we are.</p>
<p>It might be reasonable to ask when we&#8217;re going to grow up.  Or, in the<br />
case of those of us who&#8217;ve been going to that store since we were<br />
young 20s and are now approaching 30, when we&#8217;re going to accept that<br />
we already have.  And whether, if we do, it&#8217;s going to have a trickle<br />
down effect so that younger women start wanting something a little<br />
less cute, and more fierce.  Is this what happened to, say, DKNY?</p>
<p>It might also be reasonable to compare the welcome one receives in<br />
Mercer St. compared to the friendliness on Bleecker.  It&#8217;s definitely<br />
haughtier in Soho, which makes perfect sense, but it&#8217;s also a reminder<br />
that the heart of the MJ empire is as exclusionary as Louis Vuitton.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s probably more opinion than you were after.  I like the piece<br />
very much.  The picture&#8217;s great, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like what you wrote- it hit the nail on the head. I especially agree about the people who work at the MJ stores- they are definitely not stuck up assholes, but very friendly and non-judgemental. I also agree agree that MJ is an aspirational brand, but unlike fashion brands with high-falutin (sp?) images, she who loves the Marc Jacobs look aspires to be someone unconventional and artistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like what you wrote- it hit the nail on the head. I especially agree about the people who work at the MJ stores- they are definitely not stuck up assholes, but very friendly and non-judgemental. I also agree agree that MJ is an aspirational brand, but unlike fashion brands with high-falutin (sp?) images, she who loves the Marc Jacobs look aspires to be someone unconventional and artistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Haute Concept</title>
		<link>http://desedo.com/blog/marc-jacobs-hearts-our-gfs-really/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Haute Concept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed on the &quot;special items&quot; being seen as covetous.  The man has 3 stores on one street and telling from a weekend jaunt in the area, the stores are madhouses.  So, it seems that business is doing rather well.

As for his &quot;3rd line&quot;....well, that will be most interesting in terms of how his investors at LVMH embrace it and how the public embraces it.

Guess time will tell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on the &#8220;special items&#8221; being seen as covetous.  The man has 3 stores on one street and telling from a weekend jaunt in the area, the stores are madhouses.  So, it seems that business is doing rather well.</p>
<p>As for his &#8220;3rd line&#8221;&#8230;.well, that will be most interesting in terms of how his investors at LVMH embrace it and how the public embraces it.</p>
<p>Guess time will tell!</p>
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		<title>By: shahzad</title>
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		<dc:creator>shahzad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point about $10 MJ wallets is what I took away most from this - rather than being seen as cheap - they are seen as a &quot;fun&quot; extension to the luxury brand. Next time I walk into a clothing store, particularly the higher end, I&#039;ll probably consider that more.

I was shopping with a friend recently at The Gap. She considered a 4 dollar tank top with frills. I don&#039;t know that she decided purchasing it in relation to the brand so much as on the price, but the same thing at Express (etc.) for 8 dollars, I think she would have picked up as a deal also, and felt more value from it due to the brand (even without a logo). That&#039;s a little away from where you were going, but it does create something more to consider in the budget space.

There&#039;s also the factor that having the $10 &quot;toy&quot; at checkout will be picked up as a gift for someone else - in some sense, everyone wins in the purchase - the customer feels like they found something cool and exclusive (as in MJ stores), the giftee feels like they are invited to that club as well (and subsequently picks something up from the store in the future), and the company takes in a decent profit (probably) and adds to their base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point about $10 MJ wallets is what I took away most from this &#8211; rather than being seen as cheap &#8211; they are seen as a &#8220;fun&#8221; extension to the luxury brand. Next time I walk into a clothing store, particularly the higher end, I&#8217;ll probably consider that more.</p>
<p>I was shopping with a friend recently at The Gap. She considered a 4 dollar tank top with frills. I don&#8217;t know that she decided purchasing it in relation to the brand so much as on the price, but the same thing at Express (etc.) for 8 dollars, I think she would have picked up as a deal also, and felt more value from it due to the brand (even without a logo). That&#8217;s a little away from where you were going, but it does create something more to consider in the budget space.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the factor that having the $10 &#8220;toy&#8221; at checkout will be picked up as a gift for someone else &#8211; in some sense, everyone wins in the purchase &#8211; the customer feels like they found something cool and exclusive (as in MJ stores), the giftee feels like they are invited to that club as well (and subsequently picks something up from the store in the future), and the company takes in a decent profit (probably) and adds to their base.</p>
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